there is a feeling of being really under siege here by the vatican. there's a feeling of being beleaguered. there's a feeling that we're all focusing far too much on these scandals. and there isn't a feeling that we just need to get this out in the open and staunch this wound, if you like. and certainly today you had victims' groups, victims who came over here and had a press conference and laid out what they would like the vatican to do to finally make this a fully transparent, accountable and for it to go away and certainly for the next pope to really start making the whole vatican accountable for all this. but they have really, really lashed out at all of us and accused us -- well, some of us anyway, of trying to influence the next conclave and the election. but it's kind of strange that kind of accusation. >> it's interesting, robert, because the accusation by some church officials that the media is focusing too much on this, i don't think the media has focused much on this at all over the years. if you report on this a lot, frankly, people kind o